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    Default AVCHD Video Editing (MTS, M2TS to Avi Conversion) - Canon Vixia HG21 Camcorder (ENGLISH Article)

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    AVCHD Video Editing (MTS, M2TS Files) - Canon Vixia HG21 Camcorder (Greek Article)
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    (and please be free to register and talk with us in English language in this thread)

    2009-01-19, 10:36 PM

    After buying my Canon Vixia HG21, instantly I found that there is a need for AVCHD Video Editing.

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    That is the point where the problems and the search begins.
    AVCHD is a recent/new format/Codec, and so there are not many tools for editing easy the AVCHD files (files *.mts and *.m2ts).

    Canon Vixia HG21 store its videos in *.mts files.
    Through the program ImageMixer 3 SE Ver.3 (this program is in the basic equipment inside the box of the camcorder when you buy it), you can basically (except the indexing and the burn to Blueray+DVD Features):

    • Watch the videos (preview)
    • Export them in:
    1. *.m2ts file
      • Resolution: 1920Χ1080 or 1440Χ1080
      • Movie Format: H.264
      • Audio Format: Dolby Digital
      • Aspect Ratio: Wide (16:9)
    2. *.mpeg (or *.Mov) file
      1. For Computer:
        • File Type: *.MPEG
        • Resolution: 720Χ576
        • Movie Format: MPEG-2
        • Audio Format: Dolby Digital
        • Aspect Ratio: Wide (16:9)
      2. Itunes (for Ipod):
        • File Type: *.MOV
        • Resolution: 640Χ360
        • Movie Format: H.264
        • Audio Format: Linear PCM
        • Aspect Ratio: Wide (16:9)
      3. For Video Sharing Website:
        • File Type: *.MPEG
        • Resolution: 320Χ240
        • Movie Format: MPEG-2
        • Audio Format: Dolby Digital
        • Aspect Ratio: (4:3)

    It is obvious that we need to do Video Editing at 1920Χ1080 resolution and store the final (edited) file at 1920Χ1080 resolution (and without loosing any quality in relation with the original video/footage). This is very important. So, it is very important to choose the right Encoder to convert our Videos from *.mts or *.m2ts to *.Avi (or other files).
    It is widely known that *.avi is a "Container" of video codec and not a codec. That means that we can choose the encoding/Codec for the Video and the Sound that will be inside it.
    It is very important when we input the video into our video editor (original footage) to have Lossless Video Codec (in relation to the original footage) but also not take too much space (crazy space) into our hard disks (because if so, we will be wasted...hehe).
    Two of those Lossless Video Codecs I found at Internet are the:

    We conclude that using the video-tools (software) that Canon provide with our camcorder Canon Vixia HG21, the only way to edit video in the Original Full HD/AVCHD resolution and quality (1920Χ1080) is to find a programm that either is able to editthe videos and give me the final result using as Input, *.MTS ή *.M2TS files and export in another format (or in the same format), or find a programm wich is able to convert the *.MTS ή *.M2TS in another Lossless Video Format (of the same dimensions), so I can be able later to import them in a Video Editing Program without a problem (It is nessesary the Transcoding from *.MTS or *.M2TS to another format to get done with a losseless codec so we can import it to a Video Editor without a problem and loose of quality).

    (Be aware that in Linux, the video editing with AVCHD is desperally complex....
    In windows it should be much easier...)

    So the research have just begun....

    Of course my first aim was to make our beloved "Blender" to import, play and edit the *.MTS ή *.M2TS files...!!!

    As we speak, the Default version of Blender should be able to import such files, but it have a problem when importing them to play them back correctly and to transcode them into another format, etc ....!!!

    Searching at the internet I found Blender AVC 0.7 you can download it from Here.
    I tried it and it seems that it is able to work with *.M2TS files (it import them normally and it shows the video), but I had problems with playback (in some points - the most of them) and in Encoding procedure (in some points - the most of them). It seems like it have some keyframing problems and because in the new AVCHD format, information from one frame belongs to other frames too, it seems to have problems. Also some times the programm hangs/closes in the middle of the proccess of rendering.

    One Compilation Video that I tried with Blender AVC 0.7 got done correctly in some points and with artifacts in other points/frames (most of the time the application hanged/closed and I had to make the rendering from start again and again but the final result was not stable. It had artifact problems and jags).

    I have found various of tools in internet but till now I haven't achieved corect and stable results yet.....

    I have also found an article about 24p Pulldown Removal but according to the article the 24p Pulldown needs only to the people who have NTSC Camcorders (i.e. America). The people who own a PAL Camcorder (Europe/Greece, etc) don't need to do any 24p Pulldown Removal.

    For the people who want to experiment with the transcoding of the video, with the research of the wright tools for High Definition Video Editing, and in general to help to find the solution of corect AVCHD Video Editing, I have uploaded a video I shoted with my Canon Vixia HG21, Exported in *.m2ts file format (if you download the VLC Media Player you should be able to watch it).
    This Sample Video which you can get it from the Download Link below, will help you in your experiments (for the people that are interesting to experiment) with the *.m2ts file format and the possible founding of any solutions (we prefer the Free Solutions because I am sure that there will be plenty of Commercial applications that could do the job). (Note: The video I uploaded sucks - if you examine it from artistic side - it is shoted in rush and it may get you feel a little bit dizzy...!!! So please don't bother mentioning that the sample video I uploaded sucks...heheh)

    The Sample Video Is:
    Region: PAL
    Frame Rate: 25fps (Progressive/Non Interlaced)
    Bitrate: 24 Mbps
    Dimensions: 1920X1080
    Sound: Dolby Digital

    Canon Vixia HG21 Sample (
    *.m2ts File - approx 21 Seconds): Download (60.51 MB)


    Any Feedback is Useful.
    Please Experiment and give us any information you wish....!!!




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    2009-01-20, 09:33 PM

    The Sample video I chosed to upload was a "neutral dumb video... just to give material (m2ts sample) for experiments in AVCHD Video Editing and to help finding tools for AVCHD editing in 1920Χ1080 resolutions. As for the "good videos".....you will see them later ...when I solve the problem of AVCHD Editing.

    For now the subject that matters is to find a way to re-encode the footage from:

    File: *.m2ts
    Region: PAL
    Frame Rate: 25fps (Progressive/Non Interlaced)
    Bitrate: 24 Mbps
    Dimensions: 1920X1080
    Sound: Dolby Digital

    to

    File: i.e. *.avi (or any video container wich is compatible with varioud video editors - we prefer/like blender)
    Region: PAL
    Frame Rate: 25fps (Progressive/Non Interlaced)
    Codec: Huffyuv Lossless Video Codec (or other lossless video codec).
    Bitrate: 24 Mbps
    Dimensions: 1920X1080
    Sound: Dolby Digital (or any lossless codec wich is compatible with the usual video editors - we prefer/like blender)

    It is also important after the transcoding/reencoding the footage to be correct synced (audio+video). This way we will leave one more headache behind.


    In blender with Intel Quad Core CPU some failure test I did, transcoding m2ts to avi the rendering timings was not so bad....!!! It is worth the try and the waiting, I beleve....!!!



    Here are some information about the structure of AVCHD Format.




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    2009-02-02, 01:59 AM



    So, here is the Solution for AVCHD Format Conversion to AVI (with any Codec you want inside it).

    Input:
    File Type: *.MTS or *.M2TS
    Region: PAL
    Frame Rate: 25fps (Progressive/Non Interlaced)
    Bitrate: 24 Mbps
    Dimensions: 1920X1080
    Sound: Dolby Digital


    Output:
    File Type: *.AVI
    Region: PAL
    Frame Rate: 25fps (Progressive/Non Interlaced)
    Dimensions: 1920X1080 (or whatever you want)
    Video Codec: You Choose (maybe you want to choose "Lagarith" Lossless Video Codec or "Huffyuv" Lossless Video Codec, or else...whatever codec you want/have).
    Sound Codec: You Choose (maybe ogg, or mp3, or AC3, whatever codec you want/have)

    Let's Begin....


    Below are the Instructions and the Tools (with the Version that the tools exist today 2009-02-01) that you will need to convert *.mts into AVI.
    All the Tools are Free.

    Tools:
    1. Virtualdub
    2. Avisynth
    3. GDAvcIndex
    Useful Codecs:
    * (Notice: "Huffyuv" gives Smaller Output File in compare with "Lagarith", according with some firts quick tests I did and this fact is enough important for someone to know it.)

    Video Sequence Editors:
    Blender is a 3D World Creation Program (just like 3DS Max, Maya, XSI, Lightwave, etc) but it's functionality don't stop there. At the same time, blender is a very good (and free) Video Sequence Editor. So, if you didn't know it, don't get surprised that we use a 3D Modeling program to do Video Editing...

    Installation Procedure:
    1. We Download the programs and the codecs we need (all the programs are mentioned in this article in the above lines) and we store them in a folder in our hdd.
      i.e. C:\Video_Tools\Source
    2. Optional---> We install the "Codec Pack All in 1 v.6.0.3.0 (DivX, Xvid, etc)". This will install in our system easily many useful codecs and programs for subtitles viewing like those below:
      • DivX 6.1.1
      • XviD Codec 1.1
      • DivX, XviD - FFDShow 17.02.2005 Alpha
      • MPEG2 2.0.0.0
      • Subtitles G400 2.83
      • Subtitles DVobSub (Win9x, Win2k and WinXP) 2.23, 2.33
      • OGG Vorbis 0.9.9.5
      • AC3 1.01a RC5
      • Morgan Multimedia Stream Switcher 0.99
      The above codec pack, helps for sure when we have a fresh installed windows system. It help us to playback the most type of codecs and watch subtitles (*.srt files) in our divX movies.
    3. Optional--->We Install the Xvid Codec. This will let us - if we wish - to encode in Xvid (be aware, Xvid Codec is not a Lossles Codec, but the output videos in Xvid consume less space from our HDD's).
    4. Optional---> We Install the Lame Mp3 Encoder. This will help us in case we want to use Mp3 encoding in our Sounds of our videos. To Install the Lame Mp3 Encoder, Unzip the zip file that you will download from the link above and find into the unzipped files the file "lame_enc.dll". Copy that file to your windows folder with the DLL's.
      i.e. into the C:\windows\system32
    5. We Install the Lossless Codec "Lagarith".
      To Install it, you must first Unzip the file "Lagarith_1319.zip" into a folder. There you can locate the files "lagarith.dll" and "lagarith.inf". Right Click to "lagarith.inf" and from the menu choose "Install". Lagarith Codec will be installed into your Windows operating system.
    6. We Install τον Lossless Codec "Huffyuv".
      To Install it, you must fists unzip the file "huffyuv-2.1.1.zip" into a folder. There you can locate the files "huffyuv.dll" and "huffyuv.inf". Rightr click to "huffyuv.inf" and from the menu choose "Install". Lagarith Codec will be installed into your Windows operating system.
    7. Installation of programs: we install Avisynth, and then we Unzip into a folder Virtualdub. Then we Unzip into a folder the DGAVCDec too.
      i.e. C:\Video_Tools\Progs\Virtualdub
      and C:\Video_Tools\Progs\DGAVCDec
    8. We Unzip the Plugins for Virtualdub and we put them (copy/paste) into the Plugins folder of Virtualdub.
      i.e. C:\Video_Tools\Progs\Virtualdub\plugins


    Conversion Procedure:
    1. Luch DGAVCDec (double click the file "DGAVCIndex.exe").




      Open the *.mts or *.m2ts file into the programm. Next click "Save Project and Demux Video". The transcoding will begin and when it finish it will show us in the lower part of the subwindow the word "Finished!" (in the part it says the word "Info"). At the same time we see the additional information about our footage.



      If you use the sample file Madseeds_Canon_Vixia_HG21_Test_003.m2ts (*.m2ts File - approx 21 Seconds)(60.51 MB) that I have available to Download, the result files that you will have (output) will be those below :
      • Madseeds_Canon_Vixia_HG21_Test_003 PID 1100 2_0ch 48KHz 256Kbps DELAY -80ms.ac3
      • Madseeds_Canon_Vixia_HG21_Test_003.demuxed.264
      • Madseeds_Canon_Vixia_HG21_Test_003.dga
    2. We prepare a file for Avisynth (*.avs file format). To prepare this file, first we create a *.txt file (we are going to rename it later to *.avs) with the same file name as the video file (to avoid get confused) and we open this file with Notepad. Inside this file we write


      Code:
      LoadPlugin("DGAVCDecode.dll")
        AVCSource("Madseeds_Canon_Vixia_HG21_Test_003.dga")
      At this point be careful to have the correct path for each file.
      i.e. if you have installed/unzipped the program "DGAVCDec" inside the folder
      C:\Video_Tools\Progs\DGAVCDec
      and you have the files of your video:
      • Madseeds_Canon_Vixia_HG21_Test_003.m2ts
      • Madseeds_Canon_Vixia_HG21_Test_003 PID 100 2_0ch 48KHz 256Kbps DELAY -80ms.ac3
      • Madseeds_Canon_Vixia_HG21_Test_003.demuxed.264
      • Madseeds_Canon_Vixia_HG21_Test_003.dga

      inside the folder:
      C:\Video_Tools\Video_Test_001
      then you should change a little the text in the above example for the Avisynth file as following:
      Code:
      LoadPlugin("C:\Video_Tools\Progs\DGAVCDec\DGAVCDecode.dll")
        AVCSource("C:\Video_Tools\Video_Test_001\Madseeds_Canon_Vixia_HG21_Test_003.dga")
    3. We run Virtualdub and we Load the *.avs file we created before. (i.e. in case of our examble we open the file "Madseeds_Canon_Vixia_HG21_Test_003.avs".
      Our footage will apear inside Virtualdub an it will be playeable.



      By choosing the apropriate Codec for the Video and Sound, we are ready to click "Save as Avi".
      Of course if we want to edit our video in a video editor (i.e. Blender) we will choose one of the two Lossless Codecs that we have installed ("Huffyuv" ή "Lagarith"), because we don't want to loose any quality before the Final Result / Rendering / Output.
    4. We open the Exported Video Files in our favorite Video Editor (I like Blender) and we do our Video Editing as usual and without any problems. Next we Export/Render in any Dimensions and Codec we like.

    5. Finish...!!!
      Yes, that's correct....!!!! We have finished the job. We make it to do the Conversion from *.MTS or *.M2TS to AVI with Lossless Codec and in Video Dimensions 1920X1080 (like our original Input Video).
    I hope everyone who want to work with High Definition Video Editing and specially the people who have the same camcorder like mine (Canon Vixia HG21) to find my article usefull.

    Below you will find the Re-encoded Video (output) in *.AVI file format, encoded with Xvid/6000 Kbps and Μp3/256 Kbps,1920X1080 (I uploaded in our site an avi file with Xvid Codec and not with one of the lossless codecs, because it is smaller in size and it will be easiest and quicker for you to download it.



    Download: Madseeds_Canon_Vixia_HG21_Test_003_Output_(Xvid_60 00Kbps_Mp3_256Kbps).avi (16.21 MB)





    Of course my exploration for the AVCHD Format don't stop here...!!! All the above I discovered today and I wanted to share them with you.

    Edit (2009-03-12): I uploaded new sample footage into the Greek article. You can find more Sample Video files, Frame Screenshots and Sample Photographs in the Greek Thread (AVCHD Video Editing (MTS, M2TS Files) - Canon Vixia HG21 Camcorder (Greek Article)). The article is in Greek Language but I believe that it will be no problem, because you can locate easily and download the videos, and the photos between the posts. Of course I will update this post here another time to gather and put here too the links for downloading.

    To be continued (with more tests)...!!!!
    Last edited by Vag; 2009-03-13 at 03:31 PM.
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    Hello vag,
    I'm very new to HD and whilst awaiting delivery of my new Canon I wanted to test out how to convert AVCHD to AVI. Whilst everything has gone OK from your detailed instructions, for some reson I have no sound in the new AVI file and so obviously I have missed doing something. I have checked and rechecked but can't find where I have gone wrong.

    The only part I have not been able to complete fully is:
    By choosing the apropriate Codec for the Video and Sound, we are ready to click "Save as Avi".
    as I don't see in Virtualdub (my first time using it) where I select a sound codec, perhaps you could point me in the right direction.

    Regards,

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    Hi keith and welcome to our site.

    The "audio settings" in virtualdub can be located under the audio menu. There you can load the audio (ac3 or wav) file and then mixdown the final result.
    In the audio settings of the virtualdub you can select the audio codec you want, or you can select the direct stream copy (no process of the audio).
    In January 2010 I have switched from PC (windows) to Mac computers. Things have changed a lot from the day I wrote the article, giving us more options.
    As an alternative, you can try a free and open source program named Handbrake (it is cross platform and you can download it for windows and mac).
    It have presets and I believe that it is easier to use than the very powerful but more complicated Virtualdub for a new to video editing world user.

    Also you can use another program called RipBot264 which is also a very powerful program.

    Feel free to ask any question you need.

    Best regards,

    Vag
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    Thank you for responding so quick Vag and with the suggested other software and ff you don't mind I would still like to rectify my problem.
    In the audio tab there is no way to select the codec (see image) so guess I'm still doing something wrong

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    Should I hear sound in DGAVCDec? because I do not when I play it.
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    Choose "Audio from other file". Then select the ac3 (or wav - in case it can't load the ac3 file) file. Then at the "Compression..." menu select for example mp3 or any other codec you like.
    Then change the "Audio/Direct Stream Copy" to "Full Processing Mode".
    If the ac3 file name have something like in my example at the 1st post of the thread (i.e. Madseeds_Canon_Vixia_HG21_Test_003 PID 100 2_0ch 48KHz 256Kbps DELAY -80ms.ac3") you may want to change the interleave setting to -80ms so the synchronization video-audio can be ok.
    If you have any more questions, do not hesitate to ask.


    Edit: Wait a minute. Sorry for answering so quick and missing the obvious. The audio file is sepperated (it is the ac3 file). That's why you don't hear any sound when playing the video. What I am telling you is for using the virtualdub to mix the video with audio.
    Instead using the virtualdub to mix the video with audio, you can always use Blender or any other program you like (final cut studio, Adobe premiere, or any linear video editor you like) to do that. (it is described at the next steps - the ones that use blender). Try to follow the tutorial step-by step.

    The basics steps we wanted was to be able to have the video and the audio exported from the *.mts in a format and codec that we can handle more easy.
    The avi is just a container. You can use the h.264 codec to have the better quality (h264 is better than the divx).
    For the audio, you can use the mp3 or the vorbis codec (vorbis = open source).

    Quote Originally Posted by keith View Post
    Thank you for responding so quick Vag and with the suggested other software and ff you don't mind I would still like to rectify my problem.
    In the audio tab there is no way to select the codec (see image) so guess I'm still doing something wrong

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    Added later:
    Should I hear sound in DGAVCDec? because I do not when I play it.
    No you should not hear sound in there.
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    Thanks for all your help Vag and as you say the audio does not have to be handled by Virtualdub, but that was a good learning curve for me. In fact I just did the audio with 'Video to Audio Converter'.

    Do you still have the Canon HG21 (or similar HD)? as I would like to start a new post with some questions, or is this Forum for Greeks only?
    Last edited by keith; 2010-05-23 at 09:23 PM. Reason: additional question

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    Yes I Still have the Canon HG21 camcorder.
    You can ask anything you like.

    The question if it is Greek only is very difficult to answer. :P
    The madseeds began its life in English language only.
    Then a forum created in Greek.
    Then I created two sections. English and Greek Section.
    Then because of the fact there was more Greek people participating in the site and no one with English language, I turned the forum in Greek language.
    Then I had a hope that we could be an international site with Greek and English language...!!!
    Then I created an "English Only" section (with the hope the beginning with English language could happen by someone)
    Then because no-one was participating in English language I removed the English only section and the English threads are as they are now. Between the other greek forums and threads.

    I keeped some threads in English only and also used English in most sections and titles on the site (so anyone who speak different than Greek language could search into the forum easily and maybe use a translation tool like google translation to translate to his language). I translated some important and very successful articles to English language - like the one we are now, to help people from other countries to read them.

    Now you came into the forum and of course you are welcome. I could create the "English Only" section again with the hope more people like you register to our site and participate...!!!

    You can speak to me directly in my profile (click in my nickname to get there) and tell me how we could build better the English Section, so other people like you can use our site easily.

    What country are you from?

    You can start in this section a new Thread with your subject and every text in English only. Later when I'll have the English Section recreated, I can move them there. There is no problem with that - don't worry.

    So, welcome again :)
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    I use MelodyCan for all of my video converting needs.

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    I'm using Pavtube MTS Converter to convert the HD video taken from Sony Handycam. So far I like how the software has been performed. The user interface is friendly. I like it tells me how long it will take so I can walk away and come back later. I really liked how the trial version provided full access to the functions of the software. It allowed me to test the conversion quality.
    http://www.pavtube.com/guide/convert-mts-to-avi.html

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